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I can answer that- no. But then you have to look into the sociology of the dominant versus peripheral cultures/countries.

I have had teachers and profs from the U.S., and their perspective is really interesting. I.E.: they didn't know the U.S. lost the war of 1812 until coming here.

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I can answer that- no. But then you have to look into the sociology of the dominant versus peripheral cultures/countries.

I have had teachers and profs from the U.S., and their perspective is really interesting. I.E.: they didn't know the U.S. lost the war of 1812 until coming here.

I had history which included Canada.

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Did you have an actual Canadian history class or just learn some Canadian history in a generic history class?

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in 7th grade I had a while seciton on canadian history and social study issues......I never attended a highschool though, so i cant speak for that level.

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What kinds of things did you learn? You are pretty lucky.

I forget the exact number, but in my sociology of dominant and peripheral cultures class, we learned that something like less than 1 percent of American school teach any kind of Canadian history. I don't know if that just meant dedicated cdn history classes or cdn history units in regular classes.

Did anyone used to watch "Talking to Americans" with Rick Mercer?

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I watched that.

I took an american history class and a canadian history class in highschool, the american history textbook was like, 3 times bigger than the canadian one.

I heard that too, that we learn american history but americans don't learn canadian history. Obviously, not true, but that statistic is interesting.

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I was just thinking about that show. I wish that they would make another one. I was stoked when he had a group of people say something along the lines of "Hello Canada. Our neighbours to the South!"

When I lived in AL I took a World History class, which was basically American History. We didn't learn about any where aside from the states.

I was asked so many silly questions when I lived in AL like: "Can you speak Canadian for us?" "French?" "No, Canadian."
"Do you have electricity? Really, you do?! Do you have T.V then? Oh yeah? Cable too? Wow..."

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I've had poutine, it was all over the place in Montreal. I think it's pork gravy? Not the same as cream gravy (which I did not know about until moving south) There are Sonics all over the place here, and Kentucky apparently is the pork rind capital of the world, you can get more flavors here than anywhere else. There's also some chains that I haven't seen up north, Captain D's (seafood, and they have salmon!) and Krystal's (a lot like White Castle or Hot 'n' Now) there's also a pizza place here that I like, Snappy Tomato. Up north it was Jet's.

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What is cream gravy?

Poutine that I've seen has been made with beef gravy.

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Canada barely even touches on Canadian history :roll:

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Oh for sure. That make me outrageously mad, that NOW when I'm learning things, is the exact opposite of what we're told is the truth back then.

I wish I knew then, what I know now, then I could've questioned things.

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Canada barely even touches on Canadian history :roll:

So true.

The fact is history is not seen as important as maths and sciences by most people. It is sad. As a former Canadian history major, I find it really frustrating.

naivete, have you read a book called Who Killed Canadian History by J. L. Granatstein? It's great.

I've had the good fortune of seeing him lecture once as he is friends and co-authors with a few of my history profs.

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Oh for sure. That make me outrageously mad, that NOW when I'm learning things, is the exact opposite of what we're told is the truth back then.

I wish I knew then, what I know now, then I could've questioned things.

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wasn't "talking to americans" taken off the air because it was considered a terrorist threat or something? i remember there being a bunch of heat on rick mercer just after bush invented his war, and it being off the air soon after. thats pretty ridiculous since it was just like any other "interviewing" show, it just showed how misguided some americans were about the country right next door to theirs. and it was funny as hell.

one thing i wish we had that they do, is "in n out"!!! i know its not the best thing to eat, but that was the best burger, fries, and milkshake combo i ever had. yumm.

if americans skip canadian history, do they learn anything about europe? like the renaissance and all the revolutions and such? i used to consider the history classes i had to take in high school to be fairly all encompassing, but then when i took my first indigenous studies class in uni i realized that woah, they really pick and choose what they decided to tell us. its pretty sick how racist the education system is here, when so many people can simulataneously claim that racism isn't such an issue anymore.

how is that issue in the states? do you guys learn about indigenous cultures other than the myths around thanksgiving? do they say that america was discovered at a certain date in history, or do they use terms like "contact" and "pre contact" to describe what was going on before white men invaded?

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if americans skip canadian history, do they learn anything about europe? like the renaissance and all the revolutions and such? i used to consider the history classes i had to take in high school to be fairly all encompassing, but then when i took my first indigenous studies class in uni i realized that woah, they really pick and choose what they decided to tell us. its pretty sick how racist the education system is here, when so many people can simulataneously claim that racism isn't such an issue anymore.

I got a basic history of Europe in HS, since American history kinda stems from what went on in Europe but nothing indepth until college.

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wasn't "talking to americans" taken off the air because it was considered a terrorist threat or something? i remember there being a bunch of heat on rick mercer just after bush invented his war, and it being off the air soon after. thats pretty ridiculous since it was just like any other "interviewing" show, it just showed how misguided some americans were about the country right next door to theirs. and it was funny as hell.

I thought it was a one time special. And its been replayed quite a few times since.

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Speaking of American History, I highly recommend reading Howard Zinn.

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wasn't "talking to americans" taken off the air because it was considered a terrorist threat or something? i remember there being a bunch of heat on rick mercer just after bush invented his war, and it being off the air soon after. thats pretty ridiculous since it was just like any other "interviewing" show, it just showed how misguided some americans were about the country right next door to theirs. and it was funny as hell.

I thought it was a one time special. And its been replayed quite a few times since.

It was actually a regular segment on either This Hour Has 22 Minutes or Royal Canadian Air Farce. I always get those two shows mixed up. They made a compilation special that airs occasionally. It stopped when Rick Mercer left the show. Now, he has his own show on CBC and it is hilarious.

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It's wierd how little we know about Canada. I don't the anything about the sociology of it all like lissa mentioned, but if I recall correctly most of my world history centered around nations who'd been involved in conflict, namely with us. We learned about Russia, Japan, a lot of Europe, a tiny bit of Latin America, little to nothing of Africa, a little bit of China...you know, mostly political powers or present/former adversaries. I had some teachers here and there who spent more energy trying to expose us to more of the world's history, but they were not the majority by any means.

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I took a Canadian History class (grade 12) and a Native studies class of the same level. The racsism is rampant in the education system, like Kaya said. The textbook credit everything that was done for this country to some white male european, and not the people of the land who KNEW this country, who showed the men who "discovered" parts of this country where everything was, what to eat, where to sleep, and how to survive. Yet, in textbooks you only hear about John A Macdonald and a few others.

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I really think it depends on the school board or even the school. When I was in elementary school, we learned the typical white, male, European history, but once I got to high school, we went beyond that, learned about the atrocities committed by those "heroes", etc. Of course, when I got to university, we delved into that even deeper.

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We spent like one day on ALL of Asia

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does kentucky have KFC?? Is that where it started or did someone just randomly name it that..?

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Cream gravy (also called sausage gravy when it has bits of sausage in it) is grease, cream and flour I think (Ama, correct me if I'm wrong).

KFC was actually started in Kentucky, I work in the same town as the first KFC. It's a little museum, kind of, but I haven't actually spent much time there. In London, they host the World Chicken Festival, which is odd, since the first KFC is in Corbin.

There's also the Wooly Worm Festival and the Nibroc (Corbin spelled backwards) Festival, but I don't know the origin of those.

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Genbean! How could you forget the Spoonbread Festival! Go on, tell them all how much you just love SPOONBREAD!!!! :twisted: Okay, I guess I shouldn't tease you about it...

Every place I've lived has had some sort of fall harvest festival. In Virginia it was the tobacco festival, and they'd crown some high schooler the tobacco queen and let her ride on a float in a huge parade.

Interesting factoid: I was told that Traverse City, MI has a cherry festival, but they stage it for a holiday weekend, and have to import cherries from Australia (theirs aren't ripe yet)

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Sorry, Gen, I didn't read the gravy part--no cream. You mix the flour with cold water until it's smooth, and then stir it into the leftover grease in the skillet until it thickens. Delicious and healthful, just like menthol cigarettes!! :P

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Tobacco festival?? WOw, never heard of that kind of thing before.

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Britt wrote:
does kentucky have KFC?? Is that where it started or did someone just randomly name it that..?

yes it does, I have been there! I went on a trip once to North Carolina with a youth group and we made a stop at the first kfc in Kentucky.

We didn't learn hardly any canadian history in our history classes. All I can recall learning about was those fur traders or something like that...

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9th grade- Non-Western World (We did Asia, Africa, and South America but now they have taken out South American and added in the Middle East since it is pertinent)
10th grade- European history
11th grade- U.S. History or AP U.S. History
12th grade- no required history but I took Race, Class, Ethnicity and Gender, and Anthropology. They were both semester courses. There are more traditional courses offered as well like AP Government but that's just not me=-p

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I suppose because I live so close to the border, we have a mixture of culture from canada and the us.

We even had a section about BC in my Washington State history class.

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