I did the day he was born.. It wasnt really what i wanted but the said they were taking him for "testing" and gave him a hep b shot. I havent done any since....He is eight months old so i missed his 2 , 4 and six month shots.I just am not sure. Anyone got some pros and cons for me? I dont know if what im doing is whats best for him.
yup I did, I didnt know you had the choice but since reading an older thread we do have the choice to vaccinate or not, I think I will still get them vaccinated for a just in case reason :oops: (jmo)
I did - but mainly because I'm 1/2 native american, and so prone to all those fun nasties.
Especially the chicken pox - I was in the hospital for like 3 weeks with it. I didn't want him to go through that.
I did, however, make him wait til he was about a year before getting any - much to the chagrin of my doctors. I figured that way his immune system could develop a bit before getting messed with.
My son got vacinated then two weeks later got the chicken pox from a church daycare. He acted like nothing but had enough to play conect the dots. I'm glad he had that shot
I have.. but I'm thinking seriously about what Im going to continue doing and what Im going to have them do in the hospital when i have the baby...BTW anyone read the article in the newest issue of Mothering reguarding flu vaccinating and mercury?!
I did - but mainly because I'm 1/2 native american, and so prone to all those fun nasties.
Me too. I vacc'd Trey because I have such a bad immune system that I don't want to chance him getting anything at all, and in my opinion the benefits for Trey (with him possibly having a lowered immune system) outweighed the risks. I'm half native so yes, I'm prone to a lot of things, but dh is full native and that leaves Trey at 3/4 native.
i did, i have seen what non vacinating can do to little kids, and don't want to risk it, but that is just me,
i kind of have issues with people not vacinating, because if their kid is the one in 10000 that gets the disease who is to say they won't come into contact with my kid, ya know.... but it is really the "worried mom who works in a hospital so sees the one in a million type thing and worries somemore syndrome"
anyways so yes i had t vacced and will have any future children vacced too....
I did. I researched it and talked to my midwife who told me she had seen more complications and deaths with not vacc'ing than with vacc complications. She also mentioned 'herd immunity' which tricia said something about.
We vaxed Big M til he was three. Little J had his first two losts at 2 & 4 months then we stopped, neither recieved Hep B shots. Next one will have no vaccines.
We discovered Big M had 7 doses of mercury by following up the serial numbers on his chart, may this have contributed to his speech delays or behavioural problems? Who knows.
There is no safe dose of mercury.I really, really regret vaccinating the kids, especially M as he had it done so many times... I wish I could undo it.
One thing I do know is the Hep B vax is bad news, I had it (I work in hospitals & brothels so comes with the territory!) I regret it big time as I has 3 doses of mercury and now have high mercury levels. Which is real scary to discover when your pregnant let me tell you.
My wife had the Hep B vax as did BD and both got Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.
Personally I respect parents right to make informed decisions of vaccinations but all the information isn't being provided, the only oinformation I received when M & J got vaxed was a tiny printed leaflet from the drug company.
Many countries don't vax until the child is 2, my parents left mine til 4, I'm concerned about vaxing babies.
This is the beginning of the aforementioned Mother Jones article, I have it in print, unfortunately access to archives has to be purchased, which sucks. http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2004/03/02_354.html
The Roots of the Controversy
The scientific and public health debate over thimerosal has been raging for more than two decades.
In August of 2001, Rita Shreffler of Nixa, Missouri, sent her son's baby tooth to a lab. A year earlier, nine-year-old Andy had been diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome, a form of autism, and Shreffler had just read a report in the journal Medical Hypotheses suggesting that such neurological disorders might be the result of mercury poisoning associated with an additive in children's vaccines.
Wayne Middleton, of Middleton Microbiological & Environmental Testing Laboratory, was so astonished at Andy's results that he even used his own children's baby teeth as controls. Andy's tooth registered a mercury level of 3,040 parts per billion. By comparison, the Environmental Protection Agency's limit for mercury in drinking water is 2 ppb, and the limit for mercury content in waste going into a landfill is 200 ppb.
"Wayne asked me how on earth Andy could have been exposed to so much mercury," recalls Shreffler. "When I explained that a vaccine preservative called thimerosal had exposed babies to excessive levels of mercury, he said that couldn't be true because he used to work for a lab that made animal vaccines, and thimerosal had been discontinued in vaccines for cattle back in the early 1990s. He was sure it wouldn't be allowed in children's vaccines."
He was wrong.
The Battle Lines
Did the use of a mercury preservative in vaccines directly contribute to the autism epidemic plaguing the country? And did federal health officialsâfearful of liability facing their agencies and vaccine manufacturers, and loss of compliance with the federal vaccine programâput such concerns above the health of millions of infants? Are the recent studies discounting a link between thimerosal-containing vaccines (TCVs) and autism really rife with conflicts of interest and data manipulation? Or are the parents, researchers, and members of Congress who make such claims seeing conspiracies where none exist?
The stakes in this debate are high indeed. In 2002, an estimated 1 in 250 American children was diagnosed with autism, up from 1 in 500 in 2000, and 1 in 5,000 in the 1980s. If vaccine manufacturers and government agencies are found liable for neurological damage to millions of infants, TCV litigation could rival that of tobacco or asbestos. Currently, some 3,500 families of autistic children are slated to go before a special federal vaccine courtâa step that Congress has required before they engage in any civil litigation, but one that will probably be just the first in a long legal battle.
i did. ian is like 2 months behind though b/c he got sick right before one of his sets of shots and they couldn't get us in for another month and 1/2. i live in a small town and ian's ped. is like 1 out of 3 we have up here so she's really busy
i did.
lately i have been hearing alot about how the chicken pox vaccine is not even very effective....sooo many kids are getting it anyways, atleast where i'm at.
Connor was vaccinated according to schedule. I was not told I had a choice. At the time we were on state healthcare and had to go to a clinic where the doctor would never talk to me, only my Mother-in-law.
Connor developed normally until he was 15 mos old. He began to lose language and social skills and stopped making eye contact. At 2 1/2, he was diagnosed with autism.
Now resent research has shown that Therimerisol or ethyl-mercury was partially responsible for the new autism "epidemic". In California, 1 in every 250 children will be diagnosed with autism, aspergers, or a relative pervasive developmental delay. 10 years ago the number was 1 in 10,000.
The CDC and doctor's associations have all stated that there was nothing wrong with the vaccine or the ethyl-mercury, thimerosal. However, the Senate is currently proposing a bill that would ban the use of mercury in vaccines by 2006. Some vaccine makers began voluntarily removing thimerosal from childhood vaccines in 1999.
NOTE: The flu shot still contains thimerosal. This is especially important to the elderly and young children still in the developmental process. Thimerosal has been linked to a variety of neurological disorders, including Altzheimers in the elderly. However, the flu spray does not, but I beleive it cannot be administered to the most at risk groups.
You can always choose to delay vaccinations, but once done, they can't be undone. I wish I had more information when my son was young. Perhaps, he wouldn't be facing the challenges that autism brings today.
Tiffany, thank you for posting that.
I'm wondering if you know anything about maternal mercury levels and if that is a risk for autism?
Mine are 40nmols and I'm worried cause I'm 8 w 5d pregnant, I'm definitely not vaxing the next one but I don't know if my levels have already exposed it to great danger?
Tiffany, thank you for posting that.
I'm wondering if you know anything about maternal mercury levels and if that is a risk for autism?
Mine are 40nmols and I'm worried cause I'm 8 w 5d pregnant, I'm definitely not vaxing the next one but I don't know if my levels have already exposed it to great danger?
I'll have to do my research, but I think the main issues with the vaccines were that infants were receiving the amount of mercury that the EPA said was safe for a 260 lb man.
The newest information I've come across has to do with the genetic predisposition to not being able to expell heavy metals (incl mercury) as a waste product.
I'll def look up some more info re: maternal mercury levels for you. I have about 50 million action alert/informational emails so I'm sure I have the info somewhere.
Thank you so much, Tiffany.
My doctor and naturopath both had inconclusive information. Though it was good they let me know that they weren't sure. My doctor quoted the effects of 180nmols, which is definitely dire, but nothing on my levels.
I guess I trust people who specifically know about mercury effects better, I appreciate the help from you.
However, Iâve found no information regarding safe limits of mercury for pregnant or nursing mothers. Only warnings and justification from the CDC and such regarding vaccinations. I'll see if I can send an email to an activist I know to find out what she knows.
Every site references Federal Agency Regulatory Standards, but no where does it state what those standards are.
i did.
I did the day he was born.. It wasnt really what i wanted but the said they were taking him for "testing" and gave him a hep b shot. I havent done any since....He is eight months old so i missed his 2 , 4 and six month shots.I just am not sure. Anyone got some pros and cons for me? I dont know if what im doing is whats best for him.
any other mommas skip the vacs?
yup I did, I didnt know you had the choice but since reading an older thread we do have the choice to vaccinate or not, I think I will still get them vaccinated for a just in case reason :oops: (jmo)
I did.
I did - but mainly because I'm 1/2 native american, and so prone to all those fun nasties.
Especially the chicken pox - I was in the hospital for like 3 weeks with it. I didn't want him to go through that.
I did, however, make him wait til he was about a year before getting any - much to the chagrin of my doctors. I figured that way his immune system could develop a bit before getting messed with.
I did, before I knew I had a choice. If I had to go back and do it again, I don't know what I would do. Never thought about it much.
Yes, I vaccinate. My son got his shots updated two days ago, and my daughter is getting her next set in a week.
My son got vacinated then two weeks later got the chicken pox from a church daycare. He acted like nothing but had enough to play conect the dots. I'm glad he had that shot
I have.. but I'm thinking seriously about what Im going to continue doing and what Im going to have them do in the hospital when i have the baby...BTW anyone read the article in the newest issue of Mothering reguarding flu vaccinating and mercury?!
I read it. I love that mag.
Me too. I vacc'd Trey because I have such a bad immune system that I don't want to chance him getting anything at all, and in my opinion the benefits for Trey (with him possibly having a lowered immune system) outweighed the risks. I'm half native so yes, I'm prone to a lot of things, but dh is full native and that leaves Trey at 3/4 native.
I do...both of my kids are up to date.
I have kept up with all my son's vaccinations but I guess just because it seemed like the right thing to do. :?
I do.
i did, i have seen what non vacinating can do to little kids, and don't want to risk it, but that is just me,
i kind of have issues with people not vacinating, because if their kid is the one in 10000 that gets the disease who is to say they won't come into contact with my kid, ya know.... but it is really the "worried mom who works in a hospital so sees the one in a million type thing and worries somemore syndrome"
anyways so yes i had t vacced and will have any future children vacced too....
i do too
the k-man has been vacced.
I did. I researched it and talked to my midwife who told me she had seen more complications and deaths with not vacc'ing than with vacc complications. She also mentioned 'herd immunity' which tricia said something about.
We vaxed Big M til he was three. Little J had his first two losts at 2 & 4 months then we stopped, neither recieved Hep B shots. Next one will have no vaccines.
We discovered Big M had 7 doses of mercury by following up the serial numbers on his chart, may this have contributed to his speech delays or behavioural problems? Who knows.
There is no safe dose of mercury.I really, really regret vaccinating the kids, especially M as he had it done so many times... I wish I could undo it.
One thing I do know is the Hep B vax is bad news, I had it (I work in hospitals & brothels so comes with the territory!) I regret it big time as I has 3 doses of mercury and now have high mercury levels. Which is real scary to discover when your pregnant let me tell you.
My wife had the Hep B vax as did BD and both got Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.
Personally I respect parents right to make informed decisions of vaccinations but all the information isn't being provided, the only oinformation I received when M & J got vaxed was a tiny printed leaflet from the drug company.
Many countries don't vax until the child is 2, my parents left mine til 4, I'm concerned about vaxing babies.
This is the beginning of the aforementioned Mother Jones article, I have it in print, unfortunately access to archives has to be purchased, which sucks.
http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2004/03/02_354.html
The Roots of the Controversy
The scientific and public health debate over thimerosal has been raging for more than two decades.
In August of 2001, Rita Shreffler of Nixa, Missouri, sent her son's baby tooth to a lab. A year earlier, nine-year-old Andy had been diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome, a form of autism, and Shreffler had just read a report in the journal Medical Hypotheses suggesting that such neurological disorders might be the result of mercury poisoning associated with an additive in children's vaccines.
Wayne Middleton, of Middleton Microbiological & Environmental Testing Laboratory, was so astonished at Andy's results that he even used his own children's baby teeth as controls. Andy's tooth registered a mercury level of 3,040 parts per billion. By comparison, the Environmental Protection Agency's limit for mercury in drinking water is 2 ppb, and the limit for mercury content in waste going into a landfill is 200 ppb.
"Wayne asked me how on earth Andy could have been exposed to so much mercury," recalls Shreffler. "When I explained that a vaccine preservative called thimerosal had exposed babies to excessive levels of mercury, he said that couldn't be true because he used to work for a lab that made animal vaccines, and thimerosal had been discontinued in vaccines for cattle back in the early 1990s. He was sure it wouldn't be allowed in children's vaccines."
He was wrong.
The Battle Lines
Did the use of a mercury preservative in vaccines directly contribute to the autism epidemic plaguing the country? And did federal health officialsâfearful of liability facing their agencies and vaccine manufacturers, and loss of compliance with the federal vaccine programâput such concerns above the health of millions of infants? Are the recent studies discounting a link between thimerosal-containing vaccines (TCVs) and autism really rife with conflicts of interest and data manipulation? Or are the parents, researchers, and members of Congress who make such claims seeing conspiracies where none exist?
The stakes in this debate are high indeed. In 2002, an estimated 1 in 250 American children was diagnosed with autism, up from 1 in 500 in 2000, and 1 in 5,000 in the 1980s. If vaccine manufacturers and government agencies are found liable for neurological damage to millions of infants, TCV litigation could rival that of tobacco or asbestos. Currently, some 3,500 families of autistic children are slated to go before a special federal vaccine courtâa step that Congress has required before they engage in any civil litigation, but one that will probably be just the first in a long legal battle.
A list of studies for both sides of the debate, to help parents decide.
http://www.motherjones.com/news/featurex/2004/03/ttp_biblio.html
thank you maja
i did. ian is like 2 months behind though b/c he got sick right before one of his sets of shots and they couldn't get us in for another month and 1/2. i live in a small town and ian's ped. is like 1 out of 3 we have up here so she's really busy
i did.
lately i have been hearing alot about how the chicken pox vaccine is not even very effective....sooo many kids are getting it anyways, atleast where i'm at.
Connor was vaccinated according to schedule. I was not told I had a choice. At the time we were on state healthcare and had to go to a clinic where the doctor would never talk to me, only my Mother-in-law.
Connor developed normally until he was 15 mos old. He began to lose language and social skills and stopped making eye contact. At 2 1/2, he was diagnosed with autism.
Now resent research has shown that Therimerisol or ethyl-mercury was partially responsible for the new autism "epidemic". In California, 1 in every 250 children will be diagnosed with autism, aspergers, or a relative pervasive developmental delay. 10 years ago the number was 1 in 10,000.
The CDC and doctor's associations have all stated that there was nothing wrong with the vaccine or the ethyl-mercury, thimerosal. However, the Senate is currently proposing a bill that would ban the use of mercury in vaccines by 2006. Some vaccine makers began voluntarily removing thimerosal from childhood vaccines in 1999.
NOTE: The flu shot still contains thimerosal. This is especially important to the elderly and young children still in the developmental process. Thimerosal has been linked to a variety of neurological disorders, including Altzheimers in the elderly. However, the flu spray does not, but I beleive it cannot be administered to the most at risk groups.
Here are a couple of links regarding vaccines:
http://www.909shot.com/
http://www.momsagainstmercury.com/Main.htm
http://www.autismautoimmunityproject.org/
You can always choose to delay vaccinations, but once done, they can't be undone. I wish I had more information when my son was young. Perhaps, he wouldn't be facing the challenges that autism brings today.
My newest baby isn't going to get ANY until 1 yr, but she might not even get all of them then. My other kids had ALL the shots and on time.
Tiffany, thank you for posting that.
I'm wondering if you know anything about maternal mercury levels and if that is a risk for autism?
Mine are 40nmols and I'm worried cause I'm 8 w 5d pregnant, I'm definitely not vaxing the next one but I don't know if my levels have already exposed it to great danger?
I'll have to do my research, but I think the main issues with the vaccines were that infants were receiving the amount of mercury that the EPA said was safe for a 260 lb man.
The newest information I've come across has to do with the genetic predisposition to not being able to expell heavy metals (incl mercury) as a waste product.
I'll def look up some more info re: maternal mercury levels for you. I have about 50 million action alert/informational emails so I'm sure I have the info somewhere.
Thank you so much, Tiffany.
My doctor and naturopath both had inconclusive information. Though it was good they let me know that they weren't sure. My doctor quoted the effects of 180nmols, which is definitely dire, but nothing on my levels.
I guess I trust people who specifically know about mercury effects better, I appreciate the help from you.
Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registries Mercury Fact Sheet:
http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts46.html
EPAâs Fish and Shellfish advisory:
http://www.epa.gov/waterscience/fishadvice/advice.html
EPAâs Fact sheet on mercury:
http://www.epa.gov/mercury/
However, Iâve found no information regarding safe limits of mercury for pregnant or nursing mothers. Only warnings and justification from the CDC and such regarding vaccinations. I'll see if I can send an email to an activist I know to find out what she knows.
Every site references Federal Agency Regulatory Standards, but no where does it state what those standards are.
coby is pretty much up to date with his. however we have chosen to delay the mmr for a few years at the very least.
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