I didn't know where to put this. I don't have access to the backroom and I don't particularly feel safe writing about this here. But I guess I have to.
I have a problem. I recently began smoking said stuff again. I don't buy a lot. Just a $10 pinch. And it always lasts me at least a week cause I have extremely low tolerance. But now I feel like I can't stop... I keep craving it... and it's not even addictive! It's all in mind. But I love it. I love the taste and the smell.. it's better than nicotine and it calms me right down. I'm an easier going, and happier person when I do it. It seems like my only true fix for depression. But the doc would never prescribe it to me.
For the record, I NEVER EVER EVER do it around my kids. This is done OUTSIDE, at NIGHT. Never when I'm in mother mode. haha... Okay, I know we're moms 24/7... but you know what I mean... it only gets done during ME TIME. ;)
But yeah... I wanna know if I'm alone. It's like my "cure" for every problem I have... it's a quick fix. Help. Please don't judge me. I'm looking for reassurance that I'm not alone and I'm not an awful person. :(
You shouldn't feel guilt about that! The only reason people in this country think that is a bad thing to do is because we are taught to think that it is unhealthy and causes us to make bad decisions, but this isn't true. It is actually a very helpful medicine for people with problems from depression to chemotherapy releif, and is much safer than prescribed pharmaceudicals. Here is a great article:
www.cannabisculture.com/articles/1422.html (copy and paste)
You are certainly not alone :wink:
I have been there. I was basically in the same spot you are right before I got pregnant with my daughter. Getting pregnant caused me to stop. I did feel addicted, even though its not addicting like nicotine, i just craved the smell and the taste. You are NOT a bad person by any means. Im confused on if you are looking for advice on how to stop, or if you are just looking for the reasurance that you are not a bad person for doing this. You are being responsible about it, and Im proud of you for that. Im here if you need me.
Well, hey, I'm guilty too. (Not knowing how smart it is to post this here, but whatever). I have cut down a lot in order to get through school, be a mom, get to work on time! It does the trick when I wanna just chill and relax because I tend to let anxiety build up on me. Now that I don't live with BD anymore (who takes that stuff too damn far) I only really do it with my friends every once and a while- and my friends are mamas too.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't even see a problem with Malik being around me- as long as he doesn't SEE me do it and as long as I'm not out of it (it doesn't have that effect on me). I just kick back and breath a little bit, play with my kid, and then eat too much! (the eating is another reason why I only do it sometimes! :wink: )
But the thing is you can't let it take over your life. You sound like you're doing it too much right now. If you do it all the time it takes away your energy and motivation, IMO. Just make sure it doesn't get to be something you want or need too much.
I do it once a night, when I can... just a few puffs. Nothing more. Like I said I only go through one a week. My tolerance sucks.... which is a GOOD thing cause then I don't need as much. LOL.
I'm not really looking for advice... I worded that wrong. I'm just scared that I'm alone in this. I do honestly feel like I need it to get through a day. All day long I think about sitting down after the kids are in bed and having a puff. It really relaxes me.
Hey man, some people have a beer or a glass of wine at the end of the night, some people eat half a pint of ben and jerrys, and some people smoke the ganj :P
If matt was more accepting of it, and it was less likely to cause serious drama between us.. belive me, i would too.
hey i think just as long as your not doing it around your kids, it's all good cuz theres worse things out there that people do then well that :P
Most of us have been there. If it helps you relax, I say go for it. Your being responsible about it.
ahh yes, i totally know this feeling. Before I got pregnant with Ryan I was smoking AT LEAST 3 joints a day. then Ryan came along and I didnt do it for 9 months i was pregnant... know that you arent alone. i did it the other day :shock: when my aunt had Ryan... and I started smoking ciggs again... so beleive me, you are so not alone and ur not a bad person at all...
Sweetie, you are NOT alone! I used to do it alot before I got pregnant and then I stopped. It is mentally addictive. Personally, I don't do it anymore because it does make me out of it and I am afraid that after I went to sleep I wouldn't wake up in the middle of the night with Rylee. But I used to always have a few beers after she goes to bed. When I was with bd this was pretty much our nightly ritual to help us relax after a long day. I think as long as you're still able to take care of your kids if they need it(you said you usually do it after they go to bed), then go for it! You are not alone seriously, and definately not judged!!!
Thanks girls. <3
It really helps me sleep well too. I mean I can barely open my eyes at night, but I'm a light sleeper, so I hear every noise Mason makes. So it works out. No more insomnia. But then I feel kind of burnt in the morning. LOL. But there are side effects to every med right?
Thanks again for all the replies. I was so afraid people were going to judge me based on this. But they didn't and I feel so much more comfortable opening up to everyone here.
if it wasnt illegal who would care??
like cherry said, some drink, some smoke. my daughter knows that i smoke ciggarettes, if she saw me smoking anything else, whats the difference???
smoking said stuff around your kids is only "wrong" cuase the law says it is.
whats going to happen when it is legal??? it wont seem so wrong or bad anymore
I agree. And I think it's ridiculous that it hasn't been legalized. It's better than cigarettes for your heatlth, because it's natural... but the government doesn't see it that way. Pisses me right the fuck off. I wanna move to Amsterdam.
Not to take away from your post, Blue, but does anyone know if you can smoke the stuff while breastfeeding? I am getting a mad craving for it for some reason (probably because I can't visit my good friend Jose Cuervo until Willow is weaned).
kpharis - if i were you i'd post in "feed that baby" with that question. i know some moms who have done the 2 together, i also had a doctor tell me that nothing has been proven (either benefitial or detrimental) about the effects of weed in breastmilk, and to treat it like i would having a couple beers.
pot is a fat-soluble drug though, which means that when it gets broken down by your body, it settles into the areas where you have fat. not just like, whats on your thighs, but your brain, the stuff that lines your internal things, and what else on a mom is fat? hindmilk. so i'm not sure the correlation between the 2, if the concentration is high enough that there would even be a problem, if it mattered when you next breastfed after puffin, etc. i do know, that a little bit of relaxation goes a long damn way when you are a mama.... so ya.
as for me and my own habits, hehe, what do you think kaya stands for?? (it isn't my "real" name, if thats what you thought).
I'm assuming you're referring to Bob Marley. Am I right? LOL.
It's funny how doctor's don't know the potential consequences to smoking while pregnant or breastfeeding. But they have pages after pages on why nicotine is bad. So why in the hell is POT the illegal substance??? LOL.
If you're concerned about any type of legal trouble, I'd be careful. In my motherhood experience, there's no such thing as "me time". Even if the kids are asleep,you never know when one might wake up with a terrible fever, an asthma attack, etc.
That's extremely true. I worry about that all the time. I mean, my smallest fear would be legal action... my biggest fear would be my kids getting sick or hurt. Luckily, I don't think I ever have enough to be neglectful. I am very alert and I can drive if need be. I'm never completely fucked up. But yeah... I'm scared of being in shit for such a small thing. I mean, I don't think I'd get in big shit if I were caught cause I never have more than 1 gram at all times. I'm not a dealer nor am I a heavy hitter so to speak. I'm careful...
Oh girl dont even think that you are alone! I do it too, not that I feel addicted cuz I just never do but I do it to understand poetry more, to relax and all that good stuff. It's totally natural and as long as you aren't around your child it doesn't seem to be a problem. I totally get you with the whole BD not understanding. Mine says its BAD BAD BAD and Im "going to hell for it"...Its not nearly as harmful as tobacco or alcohol and though you shouldn't let it get outta hand, you sound like you know what youre doing. Good for you for being concerned though!
peace.
Oh my boyfriend doesn't care.... I think it was someone else who said something about their BD thinking it's wrong. Chris (bf) is never home. He's a truckdriver and he's only home on weekends. He doesn't care if I do it... as long as it's not anywhere near him cause he gets drug tested every so often. So when he's home, I usually go for a drive... gawd, I think I can SMELL the stuff cause I'm thinking so much about it... what I wouldn't give for another $10 smackerals. LOL.
Believe it or not it is perfectly safe even in higher (no pun intended) concentrations. Dr. Thomas Hale did studies on it and said it had no effect on a nursing baby even for heavy smokers.
Wow this is actually a really informative thread! I always thought you couldnt smoke it while breastfeeding!
1) be wary of posting anything here due to angry babydaddies/inlaws. if youre in a custody dispute, you can be ordered to take a drug test & if your positive, it will be used against you. the internet is a PUBLIC forum & anyone could read this & figure out who you are.
2) be wary of the content of your herb, you *don't* know whats really in it most of the time or the "dosage". (a good reason for legalization)
3) be wary of the drug war, you *can* get your kids taken away for lots of reasons, especially if someone wants to make your life difficult. for example, if you get in a car crash, kid gets hurt, and a drug test turns out positive (things stay in yr system a long long time.) <---not likely, but still a pretty harsh risk.
4) be honest with your doctor if your taking other medications, because herb can interfere with them. *ask things in a hypothetical way, if you are worried your doc would freak out! like, "hypothetically, would prozac have any drug interactions with marijuana?"* this also goes for any herbs you take (st johns wart, ect).
5) like any drug, you can develop unhealthy patterns of use. if you find yourself, say, waking up in the middle of the night because you can't sleep without herb, that might be a sign of an unhealthy dependancy.
6)with breast milk, pot can cross into milk. some of the active chemicals are fat soluble. this would be an issue if you were nursing a small infant, because they are so small a little bit of herb could impact them. nursing babies are building some critical neural pathways. & it is NOT KNOWN if pot is safe. some studies have linked to ADHD in kids, etc. if you have to smoke, its better to smoke, and pump & dump your milk.
7) with anything you smoke around your kids (cloves, herb, cigars,) the smoke inhalation is bad for kids. don't smoke around them! (leads to allergies & asthma) if you gotta, go out back to smoke.
i am biased towards being sober...
Yeah- your kiddo could test positive for a drug test.
Actually Dr. Thomas Hale said pot was safe. It caused no issues whatsoever to any of the infants in the study. Thomas Hale has been quoted saying he doesn't announce that it's safe because it can impair a caregivers judgement but he tried to find any harm that was caused and he had to admit there were none. He studied mothers who smoked occasionally, moderatly, and heavily.
I'm not trying to start an arguement but I want Mamas to have factual information to make their own choices.
As far as pump and dump- would you recommend a mother do that for the 14 to 30 days it takes for pot to clear her system? I just don't agree with that.
Like Rebex said, remember that this is a public board, where anyone can see what you write. If you have concerns about certain people in your life coming here and reading what you wrote, or are involved in any sort of custody stuff, please be careful with what you write here. Just a heads-up. :)
A couple of things:
first off, I would be very careful about what is posted on line. Feds have been knowen (in the states) to trace things that people have said on-line to their IRL selfs.
Second: If someone wants to post about something that they aren't comfortable sharing under their real name, anonomous_mama is always avalable-- just pm the mod_squad or one of the modsquaders and let us know you want the password-- no questions asked.
GIRLMOMS:
From Breastfeed Rev. 1998 Aug;6(2):27-30.
Breastfeeding and the use of recreational drugs--alcohol, caffeine, nicotine and marijuana.
by Liston J.
"This paper both reviews the current literature and explores anecdotal information as reported by Nursing Mothers' Breastfeeding Counsellors relating to breastfeeding and the use of alcohol, caffeine, nicotine and marijuana. ****All of these drugs do enter breastmilk to some extent and can have a detrimental effect on the production, volume, composition and ejection of breastmilk, as well as a direct adverse effect on the infant.*** Breastfeeding mothers should be encouraged to restrict their intake of these so-called recreational drugs. It is acknowledged that this is a particularly stressful period in a mother's life and that she may need additional support and practical suggestions to limit the exposure of these drugs to the infant."
(I added the ***stars***) HERE'S A PART ABOUT HERB:
"The active component of marijuana, delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) is fat soluble and is rapidly distributed into brain and adipose (fatty) tissue. The analysis of breastmilk in chronic heavy marijuana users shows an eightfold accumulation in breastmilk compared to plasma. Infants exposed to marijuana through breastmilk will test positive in urine screens for two to three weeks.
Breastfeeding infants absorb and metabolise THC and their exposure occurs at a time when growth and development, particularly glial and myelin formation in the central nervous system, is progressing at a rapid rate (Tennes et al 1985; Astley & Little 1990). Animal studies have shown that structural changes occur in the brain cells of newborn animals exposed to marijuana through their mother's milk. Marijuana purportedly impairs DNA and RNA formation. Although long-term studies have not been completed, results observed in humans suggest serious and long lasting effects (Astley & Little 1990).
If the mother smokes marijuana while breastfeeding or in the presence of the infant, there is also the effect of the sidestream smoke to be considered. Infants exposed to marijuana through breastmilk often exhibit signs of sedation, weakness and poor feeding patterns. Marijuana has been implicated in the reduction of basal prolactin levels and therefore, in possible decreased milk production.
Marijuana use causes reality distortion, which may make it hard to cope with an emergency situation, difficulty in performing small motor activity and after the 'high' wears off, a desire for sleep, usually quite deep, in which the mother may be unresponsive to her baby's needs.
The use of marijuana by breastfeeding mothers is contraindicated by the American Academy of Pediatrics. The long-term effects of early exposure, especially on the infant's rapidly-developing brain are unknown. Breastfeeding mothers should be advised not to smoke. It has been suggested that breastfeeding should be avoided if the mother is a heavy user and withheld for several hours after occasional use. Measures should be taken to reduce the infant's exposure to sidestream smoke as discussed previously. "
full text here: http://www.breastfeeding.asn.au/bfinfo/drugs.html
BOTTOM LINE:
If you breastfeed, the SAFEST thing to do is not smoke herb. The NEXT SAFEST thing to do is to dump your breastmilk. Yall know the reasons why breastmilk is best, right? Think of the parallels. Its not like your kid is going to DIE because you smoke herb and breastfeed. Nor is your kid gunna DIE from formula feeding. Its prolly gunna impact a few IQ points, and possibly alter some neurological and behavioral issues. This is about making better choices.
Adults can choose when to use herb, and our brains are already formed. Babies can't choose, and their brains are still developing which means bigger negative impacts.
im maybe wierd, because ive never really wanted to since laerin was known about. maybe 2 or 3 times. but i never really enjoyed it in the first place. i threw up everytimes i smoked. One of my very close friends has some in the garage when her kids are napping, or when she can sneak away. it actually makes her a better mother i think. she has more patience afterards, and she has more imagination in her kids' play. she doesnt freak so easy.
i agree....drinking is legal and how many "stoned driver kills 6 kids" headlines do we see? if nothing else, i remember driving a hell of a lot better.
Not to sound like broken record, but there is nothing wrong with weed. It was the only salvation for me this Apil when I had major abdomnial surgery and a few rounds of a cheo drug. So yeah. It's helpful, no matter what, as long as you respect it, and be responsible. And to be extra cheesy...
burn one down: ben harper
let us burn one
From end to end
And pass it over
To me my friend
Burn it long, we'll burn it slow
To light me up before i go
If you don't like my fire
Then don't come around
Cause i'm gonna burn one down
Yes i'm gonna burn one down
My choice is what i choose to do
And if i'm causing no harm
It shouldn't bother you
Your choice is who you choose to be
And if your causin' no harm
Then you're alright with me
If you don't like my fire
Then don't come around
Cause i'm gonna burn one down
Yes i'm gonna burn one down
Herb the gift from the earth
And what's from the earth
Is of the greatest worth
So before you knock it try it first
You'll see it's a blessing
And not a curse
If you don't like my fire
Then don't come around
Cause i'm gonna burn one down
Yes i'm gonna burn one down
Cheo=Chemo
oops. I'll edit better next time
ames
latil, i hope you are not implying that weed is safe for babies who are still developing their brains.
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