from: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20050628.wssex0628/BNStory/Front/
House of Commons votes to adopt legislation that will make Canada the third country in the world to legalize such marriages
Tuesday, June 28, 2005 Updated at 9:18 PM EDTCanadian Press
Ottawa â It was fought in courtrooms, in legislatures, in street protests, and one of the most turbulent debates in Canadian history was settled Tuesday with a vote in Parliament.
The House of Commons voted to adopt controversial legislation that will make Canada the third country in the world to legalize same-sex marriage.
Several Liberals marked the occasion by invoking the memory of their party's philosopher king, Pierre Trudeau.
It was the late Liberal prime minister who decriminalized homosexuality in 1969, and whose Charter of Rights and Freedoms became the legal cudgel that smashed the traditional definition of marriage.
Barely two years ago the Liberal government was still fighting same-sex couples in courts across the land.
It changed its tune amid an onslaught of legal verdicts in eight provinces that found traditional marriage laws violated the charter's guarantee of equality for all Canadians.
â(This) is about the Charter of Rights,â Prime Minister Paul Martin said earlier Tuesday.
âWe are a nation of minorities. And in a nation of minorities, it is important that you don't cherry-pick rights.
âA right is a right and that is what this vote tonight is all about.â
But there was no unanimity even within Liberal ranks. At least two dozen Liberal MPs voted against the controversial Bill C-38.
One even exiled himself to the backbenches to vote against the bill. Joe Comuzzi resigned his cabinet seat Tuesday as minister for northern Ontario's economic development.
The bill will become official once it receives approval in the Senate, likely within days. With it the barriers to gay and lesbian weddings will tumble in Alberta, PEI, Nunavut and the Northwest Territories â the last jurisdictions where courts have not yet struck down the marriage law.
The legislation applies to civic weddings at public places, like city halls and courthouses. No religious groups will be forced to sanctify same-sex marriages if they don't want to.
But Conservatives promise the debate isn't over yet.
Leader Stephen Harper said he will bring back the same-sex marriage law for another vote if he wins the next election.
âThere will be a chance to revisit this in a future Parliament,â Mr. Harper said. âOur intention is to have a free vote.â
How Mr. Harper might handle the issue is unclear since almost every provincial and territorial government has made gay marriage legal.
The Liberals said Mr. Harper has only one tool at his disposal: the Charter's notwithstanding clause, an escape hatch which no federal government has ever used.
âThey're going to have to at least be honest with the people,â said Justice Minister Irwin Cotler.
âThey're going to have to acknowledge that they want to override the (Charter of Rights), override constitutional-law decisions in nine jurisdictions in this country, override a unanimous decision of the Supreme Court of Canada, override the rule of law in this country.â
Mr. Cotler now occupies Pierre Trudeau's former Justice Department office, with a poster of the late justice minister-turned-prime minister overlooking his desk.
The Tories weren't sharing their fond memories of Mr. Trudeau.
Alberta MP David Chatters lamented what he described as Canada's âmoral decayâ and blamed Mr. Trudeau's promise of a just society as the start of that decay in the 1960s.
But an Irish-born rookie Liberal MP was quoting Mr. Trudeau's famous line about the state having no place in the bedrooms of the nation.
Michael Savage spoke poignantly about a member of his own family, and described the tolerance that he says makes Canada special.
âI have not compromised my faith in supporting this legislation. I have embraced it,â he said.
âThe fact that we (in Canada) are among the first is not something we should hide. It's something we should celebrate. . . .
â(We are) a nation of equality. A nation of strength. A nation of compassion. A nation that believes we're stronger together than we are apart. And a nation where we celebrate equality. . . .
âWe will send a statement to the world that in Canada gays and lesbians will not be considered second-class citizens.â
One Tory MP scoffed at the Liberals' self-proclaimed defence of human rights. He said the government has failed to protect the rights of children by refusing to toughen child-pornography laws or by raising the age of sexual consent above 14.
âI'm sick and tired of hearing people on that side of the House talking about rights, rights,â Myron Thompson said.
âI can point to dozens of things we've seen in the last 12 years where they have refused to give rights to certain individuals.â
In the last two years, same-sex marriage has gone from being legally feasible to a fait accompli.
After a series of legal challenges the walls started tumbling down on June 10, 2003.
The Ontario Court of Appeal ruled in favour of Michael Leshner and Michael Stark, a gay Toronto couple, and ordered public institutions like courthouses and city halls to immediately begin issuing same-sex marriage licences.
Scores of same-sex American couples came to Canada to be married. Thousands of Canadians exercised their new right.
The Ontario verdict became written in stone days later, when then-prime minister Jean Chrétien announced he would throw in the towel in the fight against gay and lesbian couples.
The federal government refused to appeal the Ontario ruling, and the verdict was subsequently repeated in courts in British Columbia, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Quebec, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia and Newfoundland.
When Mr. Martin became Prime Minister, he avoided discussing the politically sensitive issue and punted it off until after the June 2004 federal election.
But he came out strongly in favour of same-sex marriage in the dying days of the campaign. His Liberals were re-elected with a minority government.
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:D :D :D I'm SO glad this government lasted long enough to pass this. :D :D :D
yay for canada! Now if they could convince the us gov'mt... :?
yay!
I'm so happy about all this :) My province's premier is dead set against it though, he's been trying to find a way to get the thing overturned since it started. The liberals are gaining more and more public support lately, a lot because of the Conservative's anti-woman, homophobic and childish sentiments and whining they've been putting out lately.
Yah, that is wonderful. :)
YAY...
Now all we have to do is make sure that Stephan Harper is not voted into office, and we are set (hes pretty much saying that hes going to scrap this new bill if hes in power).....
I would like to hope that he isnt voted in.....but i also hoped to god, that bush wouldnt be re-elected...
That is so great to hear. I hope other countries follow their example.
The article said Canada is the third country in the world to legalize same-sex marriage. Does anyone know what the other two countries are?
Belgium and the Netherlands.
I don't think Harper would be able to scrap it even if he came into power. The Prime Minister doesn't have full power like that. The House of Commons has already proven they're in favor of the bill. Trying to take away the bill would be deemed unconstitutional and against the Charter of Rights, he'd have quite a fight and I don't think he'd be too successful.
I agree with Naivete.
In addition, given that the majority of Canadians do support same-sex marriage, I think that his opposition to it, and his response to this vote will only weaken his election chances. I really don't think that the Conservatives will win the next election.
I really like how the budget turned out after the Liberals paired with the NDP. I also really like the speed with which Martin is getting liberal social issues on the table. I'm probably going to vote Liberal next time around (even though I'm a member of the NDP..shh) just because I don't think that Martin is such a bad leader. It is a favourable trade-off to block the conservatives, in my opinion.
He could theoretically use the notwithstanding clause. Also, if he gets a majority, they can bring the bill up again and vot eit down.:(
yeah, i heard him talking about it in a news clip......this gay marriage thing appears to really personally affecting him.. it was scary...he was pissed
It is scary. I keep seeing these crazies on the news, bursting blood vessels over this. People need to get a life.
I was SO happy about this. Hopefully Canada will lead the way for more countries (including the US) to start legalizing it.
This is one thing that's really, really, REALLY pissing me off about my city and how bias the media is.
Every day they have articles by news staff and letters to the editor calling down and insulting gay people, sometimes in really mean ways, but whenever a lone liberal or gay person stands up and says "There's no need for homophobia and what you're saying is really offensive", the editors reply publically saying things like "There's no need for offense, god, can't you silly liberals ever have a conversation without insulting people? You can be against gay marriage without being a homophobe". I love how people who are doing the oppressing, can always stand up and seriously say the oppressed shouldn't feel oppressed.
I'm cancelling my subscription to the Calgary Sun and writing a letter saying they can have my business back when they get their editors and columnists to stop being so offensive, degrading, closed minded and bias.
Dear Canada,
Could we interest you in another province? Hell, we'll settle for being a territory.
We have plenty of moose and tundra. Oh wait, you have that too. Let's see, there's Denali. Also a pipeline. There's pieces of good farmland here and there and lots of tourist $$.
When you think about it, there's so much common ground! We already share your fascination with hockey and indifference to subzero temperatures. The Inupiaq/Inuit, Athabascans, Tshimshians, Tlingit, and Haida are cousins accross borders right now!
And who knows, that land bridge may grow back one day, wouldn't that be a strategic advantage?
Yours Truly,
Alaska
P.S. We promise to adapt to that whole Queen thing.
Spanish Parliament legalizes gay marriage
from: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20050630.wspain0630/BNStory/International/
I agree. I think this is so cool.
RIGHT!!!
MY mom is actually having a ceremony this november!!
Spain has legalized same-sex marriages. Three countries and counting now. :)
I posted an article about Spain a few posts up, but I'm not sure if anyone saw it. And there are now four countries - and counting. ;)
I thought it was only Spain, Belgium, and the Netherlands?
And Canada!
....as the title of the thread will tell you...
i am so happy about this now if they could just do that in the us.
I read that it hadn't gone through yet, so...that comment about 'as the title of the thread will tell you...' struck me as extremely patronizing.