I think this may be a dumb question, feel free to roll your eyes at me, but - do you ever enjoy the work you do? Or do you know any sex workers who do?
My friend is a dancer. She says she enjoys her job because she feels like a healer that is helping to bring love into the lives of lonely people. Sometimes she comes home upset about her day, other times she comes home talking about how good it felt to brighten someone's day. She has fun with her job at times, at other times she just wants to go home, other times she feels like crying because someone was disrespectful to her. She has a semi-regular who calls himself angel and pays her just to hang out and talk with him. She LOVES it when he comes into the club, and he has actually become a friend of hers. He is also a regular for a few of the other girls that work at the club.
Monkey, no & no to yr questions. I enjoy the money though!
Doesn't mean its all misery, its not.
Its often boring. Sometimes amusing. Some clients are ok clients. You can have a bit of laugh with them. The time flies quickly. I couldn't associate with them outside of work though.
Now how bout those waiters who really love there work? or cashiers?
Same kinda thing really.
i agree i was a sex worker once and probably will do it again if necessary. i dont think that we should have to justify our decisions because it is just like any other jojb. to an extent i enjoy it as well but sometimes i dont and i think that is with any job that you will have.
What sort of clothing do you wear for work?
Is there some standard for body size/shape/fitness, or is there an entire cross section of women involved in sex work?
Do your clients expect you to have orgasms? And if so, do you fake it? Or do they understand that you're just doing a job?
Yeah you fake it.
To me it seems most clients seem great at fooling themselves. They seemed fooled enough by the faking.
The other night I had a guy insisting he would be able to tell if a women were to ever fake it round him. Heheh No you didn't, dickhead!
I don't know what they think deep down. You get more than a few who seem to think they are different to all the other guys. Or because you are friendly & smiling it means you are having a good time.
What sort of clothing do you wear for work?
Is there some standard for body size/shape/fitness, or is there an entire cross section of women involved in sex work?
Depends on the stndard of the place, what other girls are wearing, even time of day.
There is an unwritten rule tht you don't wear a similar outfit to another worker, well at least its that way over here.
You might change a couple of time during the night. I'm a bit lazy though.
I wear a short lace dress, boots & stockings. Or halter top & skirt. Some places you get more dresses, other places more 'boudoir' clothing.
Cross section indeed! I've worked with women in their 60's, very large women, women of all races.
The most common thing is most workers are mothers, but other than that its a pretty mixed bag.
I worked with a very outgoing woman who laughed & told me she was wearing a burka a year ago.
Do your clients expect you to have orgasms? And if so, do you fake it? Or do they understand that you're just doing a job?
I am the best orgasm faker on earth, I should win awards for my acting.
Guys love it, being the simple creatures that they are.
What sort of clothing do you wear for work?
Is there some standard for body size/shape/fitness, or is there an entire cross section of women involved in sex work?
I wear the same kind of things as Maja for work, most girls here do wear the same type of thing, i've also worked in a place where you had to wear lingerie so just bra and pnties (I hate that word) on it's own during the day.
Look at every second woman you pass on the street, that's how many different women are workers, that's how they look.
We are everywhere.
Guys love it, being the simple creatures that they are.
What? I know that this is a feminist website and as such the focus is generally the oppression of women as opposed to the feelings of men - however, at the same time, is it really okay to generalize such a huge group of people in this derogatory way?
Isn't the point of this thread to get away from stereotypes, misconceptions and oppression - rather than just redirecting it to another group?
Are there certain services you will never do? Do you tell guys the rules up front?
This is actually something Maja and I have discussed before, because I know in Nevada, anal sex in prostitution is illegal, but in Australia it isn't. But all the women I've known have set their own limits as to what they will or will not do.
I know I won't do anal sex in sex work. It's every woman's right to set her own rules.
Maja, how come you dont wear a similar outfit to another worker?
Not answering for Maja here, but with my own opinion...my clothing is part of my advertisement. If Pepsi started selling its drink in Coke cans, Coke would probably take issue, right? Because it's making money off of Coke's design.
Oh dear I just compared myself to a soft drink. Dibs on Coke.
i have to say this was a very interesting read. i don't think i ever had any opinions on sex work until i came here and met maja and a few of the other mamas who posted so freely about it. its definatly a learning experience and something i try to put out there whenever the topic comes up in my life.
i think that its easy to look down on someone doing the work you might not want to do. or the work deep down you might want to but know its "socially unacceptable." Someone with money might not agree with this thread b/c they wouldn't want to do this work right along with not wanting to mow lawns and a suburbian housewife might say she doesn't agree b/c she knows others wouldn't agree with her. so I think by putting threads out like this to show us and as well as who ever else is reading that its just another job with ups and downs like any other might help slowly one by one...
Are there certain services you will never do? Do you tell guys the rules up front?
Oh shit yeh. There is heaps I don't do, the list is too long!
What I do is vaginal sex, oral with condoms or dental dam. Massage. Vibrator show. If they are after extras I offer B&D, but I dominate only. also I strap it up.
I could never do (receptive) anal or anything unsafe. Not for any amount of money. Guys will ask & whinge. On occasion you will need to say "I have told you my boundaries, if you keep pestering me the job is over".
When you intro to the clients you establish your do's & don'ts.
The intro is when the guys meet the workers one by one, you briefly introduce yourself & then they chose.
The types of intro's vary depending on where you work. When & where I started out you would just file out guys would just chose you. In this city I'm in now some places you give brief intro's, other you are expected to give longer ones. Places that expect the workers to give long intros to clients attract "shoppers". (Window shoppers, guys who go from brothel to brothel not booking any girls but wasting time, getting all these semi-clad women to talk to them).
MamaButterfly wrote:
Do you ever experience pain during sex with a client? If so do you stop right away, let him finish his allotted time, or change what you are doing?
Yes, on occasion & I change positions, or acts. When I was a newby I just put up with it but thats ridiculous, no one should be expected to experience pain as part of their job.
I go home if I feel like any job will hurt.
Often only a very small proportion of the alloted time is penetrative sex. I manipulate the job to go that way. You chat, massage, bit of oral, maybe vibrator show, tiny bit of penetrative sex & their done.
You run the show. I would not feel obliged to let a guy make me feel uncomfortable.
MamaButterfly wrote:
Do you provide the condoms?
In Melbourne parlours provide condoms & lube.
When I was working in Perth you brought your own.
at the sex worker out reach places you can pick up them for free, I would collect from these when I was escorting.
Maja, how come you dont wear a similar outfit to another worker? Is there any competitiveness with other workers or do you generally get along?
Well it is by nature competitive.
I have worked in some tough, nasty, backstabbing places. Which all pales in to insignificance compared to the maternity hospital I worked at, now that was a vicious environment! Give me a tough parlour anyday..
I just stay polite & mind my own business. I'm there to make money, not friends. Friends would be a bonus but you need better conditions for solidarity to flourish. When its the way it is now, not likely.
I do make a point of always taking newbies "under my wing", giving them tips & empowerment.
The outfit thing, well I don't really care about it but other workers do. I guess if 2 girls are wearing the same thing and one looks way better... Or if a guy says "I want the one in the xxx outfit" and theres 2 of you?
Guys love it, being the simple creatures that they are.
What? I know that this is a feminist website and as such the focus is generally the oppression of women as opposed to the feelings of men - however, at the same time, is it really okay to generalize such a huge group of people in this derogatory way?
Isn't the point of this thread to get away from stereotypes, misconceptions and oppression - rather than just redirecting it to another group?
Poor men! I don't know how they do it..
there's more than a few threads on GM where someone hurt/angered by BD/male SO says directs some anger at males in general. A quick look around & you haven't been pointing the finger at these folks.
Folks at GM generalise, about older mums, about men, about MILs. The oppressed do make generalistions, is it fair? Maybe not, but its offloading and I can't have too much problems with it.
Sex workers see the worst & basest aspects of males.
seeing the same sort of creatures (who say the same things, crack the same jokes, request the same services, have the same issues) job after job night after night year after year makes you generalise.
I have 2 sons. If I felt Loz had some misandronist tendancies I'd take her to task but she doesn't.
Likewise all those hurting & disgruntled straight girls pissed off at boyfriends, I trust they really don't actually have it in for the male of this species because they make a joking anti-male comment.
Perhps Loz should of said "clients are simple creatures"?
There are some aspects the sex work where you make generalistions, walk a mile in my shoes (or my shiney boots :lol: ?) and lets see what you say...
Are there different sorts of body types working in the brothels, or is everyone slim? Do they evaluate you on your body when you apply for a job there?
I have a question and I hope it's not rude, I apologize in advance if it is.
Do you ever get irritated by the sex workers who give the rest of you a bad name? I know every profession has individuals that ruin it for the rest of the work population so I assume that sex work isn't any different. How do you deal with that? Is it cliquey?
I just want to say that I have found this thread very enlightening. Thanks M, for starting it, and thanks to ALL the fantastic women who have been so patiently answering questions.
Are there different sorts of body types working in the brothels, or is everyone slim? Do they evaluate you on your body when you apply for a job there?
Yep, Erin asked this earlier.
Heaps of larger women work.
The most recent place I worked in I was the second slimmest, & I am by no means a slim woman. at 27 I was also the youngest onshift too.
The way things go over here (at every venue I ever worked at or checked out) you don't apply for job, they try & convince you to work at their venue.
You interview them, more like.
I usually call up, check the place out and ask them questions then get back to them if I like the look of the place. There are heaps of venues in my city, plenty to choose from.
They are not our employers but we are subcontractors, they make money out of us using their venue, thats how it goes legally & in regards to occupational codes.
You don't disrobe or anything for a job in a brothel. Never.
Strip work you may be asked to do a demo strip.
I have a question and I hope it's not rude, I apologize in advance if it is.
Do you ever get irritated by the sex workers who give the rest of you a bad name? I know every profession has individuals that ruin it for the rest of the work population so I assume that sex work isn't any different. How do you deal with that? Is it cliquey?
I don't divide up sex workers into "bad" or "good" hookers so I don't really get the question. I don't feel other workers are giving me a bad name. Or ruining my job opportunities.
There are some myths about "high class" workers and its just crap really, its the same girls that work everywhere. alot of escort agencies will have quite a few phone numbers and prices for the same girls, but pretend to be a few different gencies, to corner a larger slice of the market.
Whose "ruined it" is the government legislation which makes it harder to be a private worker and easier to be a big business in this industry. But thats a whole nother story, & long one..
I do however find feminist critiques of sex work simplistic & classist.
Thats shits me more than some random fellow worker.
Cliquey?
I guess. Its not too bad.
Generally I keep to myself and read a book in between jobs. I ignore the drama.
I've never felt caught up in it.
Like I said before its worse working with midwives & nurses.
Also its a transient workforce. You might work in different venues on different days of the week. You may only work a couple irregulars times a month. Girls start & finish all the time time. With that kind of flexible workforce it doesn't get so familiar as to be truly cliquey.
To add:
I guess where it can get awkward is when you are doing a large proportion of the jobs and other workers aren't booking at all. Then they might start saying you are up yourself or whatever.
Tension & bitterness can build.
Are there certain services you will never do? Do you tell guys the rules up front?
Do you ever experience pain during sex with a client? If so do you stop right away, let him finish his allotted time, or change what you are doing?
Do you provide the condoms?
There is more I don't do than I do.
I tell guys if they ask, I let them know some stuff in the intro, intros here are more talktive than in most states.
I do massage
I will not recieve anal or do submissive b&d play yet I am more than happy to do both to him.
I don't kiss under any circumstances and I would never do anything without protection so dams and condoms all the way.
I will always masturbate/do a vibe show for them (means less time touching them).
I have experienced pain before, same as most girls have during straight sex, especially when my cervix is at different times in my cycle, I will just change positions.
If it's too severe i'd stop the job completely.
I try to keep the penetration at as little time as possible and with guys it tends to be fairly easy.
I focus on lots of oral and jerking off myself/vibe show for them.
Some places they have spas which the guys will want sometimes or a massage.
They provide the condoms in Melbourne for free, in Sydney where I last lived and worked you had to pay for them and lube but everywhere i've worked you've been given dental dams free of charge.
There are places where workers can get whole boxes of condoms and dams and tubes of lube really cheap.
You can use my words, and credit my real name.
Let me know how it goes though.
Pam- I thought it was me.
If you need to use me, email me for my full name.
I think this may be a dumb question, feel free to roll your eyes at me, but - do you ever enjoy the work you do? Or do you know any sex workers who do?
My friend is a dancer. She says she enjoys her job because she feels like a healer that is helping to bring love into the lives of lonely people. Sometimes she comes home upset about her day, other times she comes home talking about how good it felt to brighten someone's day. She has fun with her job at times, at other times she just wants to go home, other times she feels like crying because someone was disrespectful to her. She has a semi-regular who calls himself angel and pays her just to hang out and talk with him. She LOVES it when he comes into the club, and he has actually become a friend of hers. He is also a regular for a few of the other girls that work at the club.
Kaya, sure thing, you know my first name.
Monkey, no & no to yr questions. I enjoy the money though!
Doesn't mean its all misery, its not.
Its often boring. Sometimes amusing. Some clients are ok clients. You can have a bit of laugh with them. The time flies quickly. I couldn't associate with them outside of work though.
Now how bout those waiters who really love there work? or cashiers?
Same kinda thing really.
i agree i was a sex worker once and probably will do it again if necessary. i dont think that we should have to justify our decisions because it is just like any other jojb. to an extent i enjoy it as well but sometimes i dont and i think that is with any job that you will have.
I have never enjoyed work, it's just boring.
Like any other job.
i couldnt agree more a woman doesnt need to justify what she does for a living
Just out of curiosity because i've never met a worker who enjoys it, what eactly do you enjoy?
Do your clients expect you to have orgasms? And if so, do you fake it? Or do they understand that you're just doing a job?
What sort of clothing do you wear for work?
Is there some standard for body size/shape/fitness, or is there an entire cross section of women involved in sex work?
Yeah you fake it.
To me it seems most clients seem great at fooling themselves. They seemed fooled enough by the faking.
The other night I had a guy insisting he would be able to tell if a women were to ever fake it round him. Heheh No you didn't, dickhead!
I don't know what they think deep down. You get more than a few who seem to think they are different to all the other guys. Or because you are friendly & smiling it means you are having a good time.
Depends on the stndard of the place, what other girls are wearing, even time of day.
There is an unwritten rule tht you don't wear a similar outfit to another worker, well at least its that way over here.
You might change a couple of time during the night. I'm a bit lazy though.
I wear a short lace dress, boots & stockings. Or halter top & skirt. Some places you get more dresses, other places more 'boudoir' clothing.
Cross section indeed! I've worked with women in their 60's, very large women, women of all races.
The most common thing is most workers are mothers, but other than that its a pretty mixed bag.
I worked with a very outgoing woman who laughed & told me she was wearing a burka a year ago.
Do your clients expect you to have orgasms? And if so, do you fake it? Or do they understand that you're just doing a job?
I am the best orgasm faker on earth, I should win awards for my acting.
Guys love it, being the simple creatures that they are.
What sort of clothing do you wear for work?
Is there some standard for body size/shape/fitness, or is there an entire cross section of women involved in sex work?
I wear the same kind of things as Maja for work, most girls here do wear the same type of thing, i've also worked in a place where you had to wear lingerie so just bra and pnties (I hate that word) on it's own during the day.
Look at every second woman you pass on the street, that's how many different women are workers, that's how they look.
We are everywhere.
Maja, how come you dont wear a similar outfit to another worker? Is there any competitiveness with other workers or do you generally get along?
What? I know that this is a feminist website and as such the focus is generally the oppression of women as opposed to the feelings of men - however, at the same time, is it really okay to generalize such a huge group of people in this derogatory way?
Isn't the point of this thread to get away from stereotypes, misconceptions and oppression - rather than just redirecting it to another group?
Are there certain services you will never do? Do you tell guys the rules up front?
Do you ever experience pain during sex with a client? If so do you stop right away, let him finish his allotted time, or change what you are doing?
Do you provide the condoms?
This is actually something Maja and I have discussed before, because I know in Nevada, anal sex in prostitution is illegal, but in Australia it isn't. But all the women I've known have set their own limits as to what they will or will not do.
I know I won't do anal sex in sex work. It's every woman's right to set her own rules.
Not answering for Maja here, but with my own opinion...my clothing is part of my advertisement. If Pepsi started selling its drink in Coke cans, Coke would probably take issue, right? Because it's making money off of Coke's design.
Oh dear I just compared myself to a soft drink. Dibs on Coke.
i have to say this was a very interesting read. i don't think i ever had any opinions on sex work until i came here and met maja and a few of the other mamas who posted so freely about it. its definatly a learning experience and something i try to put out there whenever the topic comes up in my life.
i think that its easy to look down on someone doing the work you might not want to do. or the work deep down you might want to but know its "socially unacceptable." Someone with money might not agree with this thread b/c they wouldn't want to do this work right along with not wanting to mow lawns and a suburbian housewife might say she doesn't agree b/c she knows others wouldn't agree with her. so I think by putting threads out like this to show us and as well as who ever else is reading that its just another job with ups and downs like any other might help slowly one by one...
Oh shit yeh. There is heaps I don't do, the list is too long!
What I do is vaginal sex, oral with condoms or dental dam. Massage. Vibrator show. If they are after extras I offer B&D, but I dominate only. also I strap it up.
I could never do (receptive) anal or anything unsafe. Not for any amount of money. Guys will ask & whinge. On occasion you will need to say "I have told you my boundaries, if you keep pestering me the job is over".
When you intro to the clients you establish your do's & don'ts.
The intro is when the guys meet the workers one by one, you briefly introduce yourself & then they chose.
The types of intro's vary depending on where you work. When & where I started out you would just file out guys would just chose you. In this city I'm in now some places you give brief intro's, other you are expected to give longer ones. Places that expect the workers to give long intros to clients attract "shoppers". (Window shoppers, guys who go from brothel to brothel not booking any girls but wasting time, getting all these semi-clad women to talk to them).
Yes, on occasion & I change positions, or acts. When I was a newby I just put up with it but thats ridiculous, no one should be expected to experience pain as part of their job.
I go home if I feel like any job will hurt.
Often only a very small proportion of the alloted time is penetrative sex. I manipulate the job to go that way. You chat, massage, bit of oral, maybe vibrator show, tiny bit of penetrative sex & their done.
You run the show. I would not feel obliged to let a guy make me feel uncomfortable.
In Melbourne parlours provide condoms & lube.
When I was working in Perth you brought your own.
at the sex worker out reach places you can pick up them for free, I would collect from these when I was escorting.
Well it is by nature competitive.
I have worked in some tough, nasty, backstabbing places. Which all pales in to insignificance compared to the maternity hospital I worked at, now that was a vicious environment! Give me a tough parlour anyday..
I just stay polite & mind my own business. I'm there to make money, not friends. Friends would be a bonus but you need better conditions for solidarity to flourish. When its the way it is now, not likely.
I do make a point of always taking newbies "under my wing", giving them tips & empowerment.
The outfit thing, well I don't really care about it but other workers do. I guess if 2 girls are wearing the same thing and one looks way better... Or if a guy says "I want the one in the xxx outfit" and theres 2 of you?
Poor men! I don't know how they do it..
there's more than a few threads on GM where someone hurt/angered by BD/male SO says directs some anger at males in general. A quick look around & you haven't been pointing the finger at these folks.
Folks at GM generalise, about older mums, about men, about MILs. The oppressed do make generalistions, is it fair? Maybe not, but its offloading and I can't have too much problems with it.
Sex workers see the worst & basest aspects of males.
seeing the same sort of creatures (who say the same things, crack the same jokes, request the same services, have the same issues) job after job night after night year after year makes you generalise.
I have 2 sons. If I felt Loz had some misandronist tendancies I'd take her to task but she doesn't.
Likewise all those hurting & disgruntled straight girls pissed off at boyfriends, I trust they really don't actually have it in for the male of this species because they make a joking anti-male comment.
Perhps Loz should of said "clients are simple creatures"?
There are some aspects the sex work where you make generalistions, walk a mile in my shoes (or my shiney boots :lol: ?) and lets see what you say...
Are there different sorts of body types working in the brothels, or is everyone slim? Do they evaluate you on your body when you apply for a job there?
I have a question and I hope it's not rude, I apologize in advance if it is.
Do you ever get irritated by the sex workers who give the rest of you a bad name? I know every profession has individuals that ruin it for the rest of the work population so I assume that sex work isn't any different. How do you deal with that? Is it cliquey?
I just want to say that I have found this thread very enlightening. Thanks M, for starting it, and thanks to ALL the fantastic women who have been so patiently answering questions.
Yep, Erin asked this earlier.
Heaps of larger women work.
The most recent place I worked in I was the second slimmest, & I am by no means a slim woman. at 27 I was also the youngest onshift too.
The way things go over here (at every venue I ever worked at or checked out) you don't apply for job, they try & convince you to work at their venue.
You interview them, more like.
I usually call up, check the place out and ask them questions then get back to them if I like the look of the place. There are heaps of venues in my city, plenty to choose from.
They are not our employers but we are subcontractors, they make money out of us using their venue, thats how it goes legally & in regards to occupational codes.
You don't disrobe or anything for a job in a brothel. Never.
Strip work you may be asked to do a demo strip.
I don't divide up sex workers into "bad" or "good" hookers so I don't really get the question. I don't feel other workers are giving me a bad name. Or ruining my job opportunities.
There are some myths about "high class" workers and its just crap really, its the same girls that work everywhere. alot of escort agencies will have quite a few phone numbers and prices for the same girls, but pretend to be a few different gencies, to corner a larger slice of the market.
Whose "ruined it" is the government legislation which makes it harder to be a private worker and easier to be a big business in this industry. But thats a whole nother story, & long one..
I do however find feminist critiques of sex work simplistic & classist.
Thats shits me more than some random fellow worker.
Cliquey?
I guess. Its not too bad.
Generally I keep to myself and read a book in between jobs. I ignore the drama.
I've never felt caught up in it.
Like I said before its worse working with midwives & nurses.
Also its a transient workforce. You might work in different venues on different days of the week. You may only work a couple irregulars times a month. Girls start & finish all the time time. With that kind of flexible workforce it doesn't get so familiar as to be truly cliquey.
To add:
I guess where it can get awkward is when you are doing a large proportion of the jobs and other workers aren't booking at all. Then they might start saying you are up yourself or whatever.
Tension & bitterness can build.
There is more I don't do than I do.
I tell guys if they ask, I let them know some stuff in the intro, intros here are more talktive than in most states.
I do massage
I will not recieve anal or do submissive b&d play yet I am more than happy to do both to him.
I don't kiss under any circumstances and I would never do anything without protection so dams and condoms all the way.
I will always masturbate/do a vibe show for them (means less time touching them).
I have experienced pain before, same as most girls have during straight sex, especially when my cervix is at different times in my cycle, I will just change positions.
If it's too severe i'd stop the job completely.
I try to keep the penetration at as little time as possible and with guys it tends to be fairly easy.
I focus on lots of oral and jerking off myself/vibe show for them.
Some places they have spas which the guys will want sometimes or a massage.
They provide the condoms in Melbourne for free, in Sydney where I last lived and worked you had to pay for them and lube but everywhere i've worked you've been given dental dams free of charge.
There are places where workers can get whole boxes of condoms and dams and tubes of lube really cheap.
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